Mohler vs. Warren

To those of you not in the know, here is a brief synopsis of this week’s events:

Item 1: Andy Stanley, Pastor of North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, GA, recently preached his sermon “When Gracie Met Truthy,” in which he strongly left the impression that he does not consider homosexual practice to be a sin on the level with adultery (which he also, apparently, construes somewhat more narrowly than Jesus did). Stanley’s message unmistakably suggests that open homosexuality is compatible with both membership and leadership at North Point. Note: There is no way to link directly to this sermon, but “When Gracie Met Truthy” is sermon number 5 in the series “Christian” and is merely one click away from the first message in the series, which is available here. Hat-tip to Peter Lumpkins, whose blog was the first I saw bringing this to the world’s attention.

Item 2: In response to Stanley, Dr. Albert Mohler posted on his blog yesterday an article (rightfully) criticizing Stanley’s message. Mohler gave his essay the provocative title, “Is the Megachurch the New Liberalism?” Mohler’s is a solid and helpful treatment of the issues raised by Stanley’s sermon.

Item 3: In response to Mohler’s response, Rick Warren challenged Mohler, not to much to defend Stanley as to reject the analysis that Stanley’s waywardness is about megachurches rather than being about something else. Warren was incensed that thousands of other megachurches are implicated by Mohler’s essay.

Does anyone besides me find it hilariously funny that none other than Rick Warren should be the one to find offense at a doctrinal rebuke of megachurches?  Wasn’t it Rick Warren who last year had three non-believers teach his congregation shamanistic and occultic techniques to help them lose weight?

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2 comments on “Mohler vs. Warren

  1. Rick Warren’s New World Order for the antichrist

    Javanut: “Does anyone besides me find it hilariously funny that none other than Rick Warren should be the one to find offense at a doctrinal rebuke of megachurches?”

    Well, Rick Warren is committed to building the ultimate megachurch predicted in the Bible – the one world church of the antichrist (counterfeit Christ) who pre-empts the return of the true Jesus Christ.

    Rick Warren is promoting a departure from the fundamentals of Biblical Christianity by promoting peace through compromise of the main Christian doctrines stated in the Bible.

    For example, he has promoted peace alliances with Muslims which can only be achieved by dropping the repeating Biblical assertion of the 3 coequal members of the trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). He also has to drop the repeating Biblical assertions about the deity of Jesus Christ, which the Quran specifically denies.

    Right doctrine is critical to salvation and reconciliation with the God of Genesis 1:1.

    False doctrine reconciles people to “the god of this age” (2 Cor 4:3-4), “the prince of the power of the air” (Eph 2:1-2), “the father of lies” (John 8:44), the devil.

    If you follow wrong doctrine about Jesus Christ then you are effectively following a false christ.

    Matthew 24:24 …false Christs and false prophets will appear

    Worshipping Jesus is blasphemy against the true Jesus Christ if you are following false (unbiblical) doctrine that misrepresents the true Jesus Christ.

    2 Cor 11:3-4 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
    For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough

    Thousands of deceived Christians are “putting up with it easily enough” by participating in the false teachings of Rick Warren and like minded teachers.

    They have been seduced by the entertainment of church fellowships that promote teachings supporting the emerging kingdom of the antichrist.

    The Bible states an occaison when the devil approached Jesus Christ and offered him all the kingdoms of the world (Luke 4:5-7) in exchange for Jesus worshipping the devil.

    Rick Warren has effectively partnered with the devil to promote an alliance of “all the kingdoms of the world”.

    Jesus Christ warned that the truth will be divisive (eg. Matt 10:34 – 39) and he has bound the truth against his name: “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6).

    God has given us Bible written text to be the foundation and starting point for reconciling with him.

    2 Tim 3:16-17 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim 3:16-17 (NKJV)

    Spiritual experiences must be tested against Bible written text, because the Bible warns that evil spirits will masquerade as “angels of light” (2 Cor 11:13-15) in order to promote false teaching that leads away from the God of Genesis 1:1.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil. (NKJV)

    Any people participating in Rick Warren influenced fellowships or teachings should urgently cease this and go back to the Bible written text as the prority and agreeable fellowship with others as secondary.

    This is required for them to prove themselves authentic Christians.

    Truth is more important that unity and church attendance because you could have unity with fraud and attend a religious social club that indulges itself with lies.

    Rick Warren is promoting a one world church based on spiritual fraud and both himself and all other participators will eventually be thrown into hell for eternity, unless they recant before it is too late:

    Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    Rick Warren is loving and practicing falsehood.
    His work makes him a false prophet who endorses a false Christ.

    2 Cor 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

    Bible prophecy about the one world church of the antichrist (false Christ) will be fulfilled, but woe to those who help establish it.

    Luke 17:1 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come”.


    “Falling away” in 2 Thess 2:1-3 isn’t just falling away into atheism. It is also a falling away from the truth, or a revival for fervent devotion to a false Christ.

    Membership of the one world false christ megachurch is increasing in the Aquarian, Post Modern age of deception. See Rev Ch 13

    I recommend the DVD’s “Wide is the Gate” from caryltvshop.com and “The Submerging Church” from Submergingchurch.com

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